Jason Calacanis vs. David Heinemeier Hansson

A Real Discussion
Jason Calicanis of Mahalo and Engadget fame and David Heinemeier Hansson of Ruby on Rails and 37Signals fame have made the most entertaining hour of Podcasting I’ve ever seen. I have watched this episode twice already and I might have to watch it again. The real fun starts at around 48 minutes in where the interview about David’s history quickly turns into a discussion about how to start a company. Jason is relentless and cant get over the fact that David won’t sell his company for anything. You can see Jason slowly think twice about what he is saying and then get back in with another great argument. David is unflinching with his remarks about how “bullshit” the startup culture really is. (Which I Agree)

The best part? Neither of them have an “agenda” and nobody is just arguing to argue. They are talking to try to understand each other, not to prove a point. We need more interviews like this in the world. More outrageously ambitious, smart, and opinionated people should get on camera and have a discussion.

The End of Bullshit TV
TV is full of Bullshit, scripted interviews and perfectly timed segments. FAKE FAKE FAKE. As TVs add search and an internet connection, you will start to see scripted bullshit die and shows like this thrive.

  • Wow. That was pretty great discussion. I love to hear other people talking about how bubbly the startup game looks now, I’ve been thinking that a bit too. Good to see plain old business still works 🙂

  • This was cool shit.
    I want to work for David Heinemeier Hansson!

    I am an award winning TV Producer. I make TV Commercials for a living. The majority of my clients are the Jason’s of the world (‘those with the ‘big exit’ philosophy).
    Every now and then, I meet a David who has the passion and vision that is such a cut above anyone else you meet. They’re the ones that who’s commercials are the most fun to work on because their passion is infectious.

    Watching this interview, it was so easy to see the bullshit and I’m on my 2nd viewing.

    Just on body language alone, David owned this interview, he stood rock solid and never backed down.

    I was very impressed.

  • “TV is full of Bullshit, scripted interviews and perfectly timed segments. FAKE FAKE FAKE.”

    Ummmmmmm AMAZING?????

    Yes you are for speaking TRUTH.

    Oh how I hate the average lamer who loves to dive into other peoples lives.

    Oh so nice.

  • Awesome post. Superb frank exchange of views. You’re so right – we need MUCH more of this kind of discussion.

  • I am coming up on the 11th year of not having a coax cable plugged into any tv’s in my house and not subscribing to tv, there is just way too much quality content on the internet these days!

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